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		<title>By: The Absurd</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>The Absurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did the same thing, but gave each low voted submission a number of 5 votes, so iNation was pretty much out of the top 20. It didn&#039;t take long for everything above iNation to get voted down, and within a relatively short period of time, iNation was at the top again.

If this is related somehow (directly or indirectly to this submission), I don&#039;t know. It could just as easily have been some troll that selected one entry and decided to annoy people using it, but look around at the social networks. No-one is really talking about mashupaustralia. Well, no-one except the people submitting the work (and begging for votes). It just doesn&#039;t seem all that likely that it&#039;s co-incidence, but it&#039;s always possible that is it.

It was supposed to be fun. There should have been a community spirit behind it. Instead it&#039;s turned into people patting themselves on the back, and holding the ball too tight, and that&#039;s not dignified behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the same thing, but gave each low voted submission a number of 5 votes, so iNation was pretty much out of the top 20. It didn&#8217;t take long for everything above iNation to get voted down, and within a relatively short period of time, iNation was at the top again.</p>
<p>If this is related somehow (directly or indirectly to this submission), I don&#8217;t know. It could just as easily have been some troll that selected one entry and decided to annoy people using it, but look around at the social networks. No-one is really talking about mashupaustralia. Well, no-one except the people submitting the work (and begging for votes). It just doesn&#8217;t seem all that likely that it&#8217;s co-incidence, but it&#8217;s always possible that is it.</p>
<p>It was supposed to be fun. There should have been a community spirit behind it. Instead it&#8217;s turned into people patting themselves on the back, and holding the ball too tight, and that&#8217;s not dignified behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Diacono</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Diacono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the voting its too easy to vote without even looking at a site - so next time the voting option could be only available once you have viewed the site. but this comment should have been directed at the organisers not Lisa (is there a general feedback option?

on the criticisms that seems to be the downside of openness and democracy but I&#039;m astounded at the lack of netiquette - you&#039;ve got to put yourself in the shoes of the other person and how they will feel when they read your posting, maybe after a long hard day - very different to a face to face when you can respond immediately, read body language etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the voting its too easy to vote without even looking at a site &#8211; so next time the voting option could be only available once you have viewed the site. but this comment should have been directed at the organisers not Lisa (is there a general feedback option?</p>
<p>on the criticisms that seems to be the downside of openness and democracy but I&#8217;m astounded at the lack of netiquette &#8211; you&#8217;ve got to put yourself in the shoes of the other person and how they will feel when they read your posting, maybe after a long hard day &#8211; very different to a face to face when you can respond immediately, read body language etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Diacono</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Diacono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being able to see my local services on a single map is excellent. Could the map automatically zoom out to display my nearest service if I have zoomed in too far?

People are coming at this competition from two sides - the web developers who produce really slick sites that deliver a simple point type solution - and the data/gis people like Lisa who really delve into the data side but their interfaces aren&#039;t that slick. Both are really important and I hope the comp will be just the start in bringing them together not building more barriers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being able to see my local services on a single map is excellent. Could the map automatically zoom out to display my nearest service if I have zoomed in too far?</p>
<p>People are coming at this competition from two sides &#8211; the web developers who produce really slick sites that deliver a simple point type solution &#8211; and the data/gis people like Lisa who really delve into the data side but their interfaces aren&#8217;t that slick. Both are really important and I hope the comp will be just the start in bringing them together not building more barriers!</p>
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		<title>By: The Absurd</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>The Absurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel ridiculous posting this, especially as I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re responsible for the voting issues (you may of course not be), but it does seem unlikely in my mind. Otherwise you&#039;d be apologetic that it happened, but you&#039;re not. In my experience, overtly defensive people are almost always guilty.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make was it&#039;s easy to tell people to go and comment on other entries, but noone looks past the top 10.  People are missing out because they&#039;re just not visible (myself includes obviously). The best solution I think is to remove all 1 and 5 votes. Only friends will ever vote 5, and noone in their right mind will vote something &#039;1&#039; unless they have vested interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel ridiculous posting this, especially as I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re responsible for the voting issues (you may of course not be), but it does seem unlikely in my mind. Otherwise you&#8217;d be apologetic that it happened, but you&#8217;re not. In my experience, overtly defensive people are almost always guilty.</p>
<p>Anyway, the point I wanted to make was it&#8217;s easy to tell people to go and comment on other entries, but noone looks past the top 10.  People are missing out because they&#8217;re just not visible (myself includes obviously). The best solution I think is to remove all 1 and 5 votes. Only friends will ever vote 5, and noone in their right mind will vote something &#8216;1&#8242; unless they have vested interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just logged onto the site to see how the feedback is going and see this!

I do like the suggestion that I am capable of writing a program to cheat!  Thanks Igor!  Sorry, I&#039;m not.  And my cruddy dial-up access would make it useless anyway.

After the time and effort I have spent getting the data and website ready, I have more important things to do than invest in cheating...like sleeping!

As per the feedback from the organisers, your comments are the important thing in the public vote.  So visit sites, look at what they are trying to achieve, and provide comments on them.  Just remember that all sites are providing ideas for what could be done if data becomes more freely available from Government Departments.  I personally think &lt;a href=&quot;http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/victoria-fire-ready/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Victoria: Fire Ready&lt;/a&gt; is an excellent example of potential capability and hope that will encourage greater data availablity.

If anyone does have relevant feedback, please post it.  I would like feedback and suggestions for further development or to just discuss data provided as part of the competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just logged onto the site to see how the feedback is going and see this!</p>
<p>I do like the suggestion that I am capable of writing a program to cheat!  Thanks Igor!  Sorry, I&#8217;m not.  And my cruddy dial-up access would make it useless anyway.</p>
<p>After the time and effort I have spent getting the data and website ready, I have more important things to do than invest in cheating&#8230;like sleeping!</p>
<p>As per the feedback from the organisers, your comments are the important thing in the public vote.  So visit sites, look at what they are trying to achieve, and provide comments on them.  Just remember that all sites are providing ideas for what could be done if data becomes more freely available from Government Departments.  I personally think <a href="http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/victoria-fire-ready/" rel="nofollow">Victoria: Fire Ready</a> is an excellent example of potential capability and hope that will encourage greater data availablity.</p>
<p>If anyone does have relevant feedback, please post it.  I would like feedback and suggestions for further development or to just discuss data provided as part of the competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should note that this is only a post-hoc analysis.

I have no evidence that it is anyone on the iNation team specifically doing this. It could be well meaning others, or just someone playing silly games with the voting system for fun.

I&#039;m sure if Stephen Colbert had an entry, or Moot from 4chan, they would have a million votes by now.

I assign no fault to the iNation team, I just think it&#039;s sad they&#039;ve been caught up in the whole issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note that this is only a post-hoc analysis.</p>
<p>I have no evidence that it is anyone on the iNation team specifically doing this. It could be well meaning others, or just someone playing silly games with the voting system for fun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if Stephen Colbert had an entry, or Moot from 4chan, they would have a million votes by now.</p>
<p>I assign no fault to the iNation team, I just think it&#8217;s sad they&#8217;ve been caught up in the whole issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed a curious pattern a few days ago, where non-iNation entries seemed to keep dropping till they got below it.

As a test, tonight I rigged up a simple bot to throw about 50-100 1-star votes and drop it down to 6th or 7th (dropping it from 3.7 to 3.3). My hypothesis was that they would respond and down-vote the rest.

As luck would have it, about an hour ago a big flood of votes landed, 50 on the war memorial one and several hundred on the firelocator site.

Everyone other than iNation has now been dropped to a quite uniform 3.1.

The voting system is clearly a farce at this point, the only thing remaining is to basically flood the entire thing so badly that it become an inescapable conclusion the voting has been exploited and the results thrown away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed a curious pattern a few days ago, where non-iNation entries seemed to keep dropping till they got below it.</p>
<p>As a test, tonight I rigged up a simple bot to throw about 50-100 1-star votes and drop it down to 6th or 7th (dropping it from 3.7 to 3.3). My hypothesis was that they would respond and down-vote the rest.</p>
<p>As luck would have it, about an hour ago a big flood of votes landed, 50 on the war memorial one and several hundred on the firelocator site.</p>
<p>Everyone other than iNation has now been dropped to a quite uniform 3.1.</p>
<p>The voting system is clearly a farce at this point, the only thing remaining is to basically flood the entire thing so badly that it become an inescapable conclusion the voting has been exploited and the results thrown away.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Bradberry</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Bradberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hard to believe you would do something like this and have your name attached to it.

Also way to ruin the whole point of this competition. Other developers were probably interested in receiving honest feedback and a score representative of how much time and effort they put into making a useful and appealing mashup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to believe you would do something like this and have your name attached to it.</p>
<p>Also way to ruin the whole point of this competition. Other developers were probably interested in receiving honest feedback and a score representative of how much time and effort they put into making a useful and appealing mashup.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think she is just clearing cookies. She is just running a script using screen scrapping  to get list of top ten and then runs a rating javascript to update votes for that website and put everyone above her down (not hard to do), I have a suspicion few other websites in top ten do the same. As a case study, have a look at any new entry. All of them get a rating of 5 first and then about 10-20 ones. So there is a script there for sure, it would take too long to do it manualy. Script is not hard to create but why would you? Unless you know your solution is bad.

Hope the judges will disregard rating as it is useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think she is just clearing cookies. She is just running a script using screen scrapping  to get list of top ten and then runs a rating javascript to update votes for that website and put everyone above her down (not hard to do), I have a suspicion few other websites in top ten do the same. As a case study, have a look at any new entry. All of them get a rating of 5 first and then about 10-20 ones. So there is a script there for sure, it would take too long to do it manualy. Script is not hard to create but why would you? Unless you know your solution is bad.</p>
<p>Hope the judges will disregard rating as it is useless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://mashupaustralia.org/mashups/ination/comment-page-1/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entry is blatantly abusing the rating system.

Lisa are you actually going to respond or just keep clearing those cookies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entry is blatantly abusing the rating system.</p>
<p>Lisa are you actually going to respond or just keep clearing those cookies?</p>
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